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Vol 280 No 7484 p20-21
5/12 January 2008

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Interview

Alex Gourlay: Boots’s man at the top

The first pharmacist managing director of Boots UK Limited speaks to Tom Moberly (on the staff of The Journal) about his role, its challenges and his hopes for the future


ARTICLE CONTENTS
Partnership

Professional body

Compliance

Focus

Looking to the future

Alex Gourlay is clear that success for Boots lies in having a strong pharmacy profession. “I start from the place of ‘What is the right thing for pharmacy?’,” he says. “I don’t start from the place of ‘What is the right thing for Boots?’, because I know, in the end, the only way that Boots will be successful will be if pharmacy is successful.

“I know with the brand we have and the people I’ve got in the business that we’ll be able to get our fair share of [the UK market], in a fair way,” he says.

Mr Gourlay joined Boots as a Saturday assistant in 1976. After studying pharmacy at Strathclyde University he qualified in 1981 and then worked as a pharmacist and manager in stores across the UK.

In October 2003 he was appointed retail director, before becoming director of healthcare, store development and property in July 2005. Following the private equity takeover of Boots last summer (PJ, 9 June 2007, p662), he was appointed managing director of Boots UK Ltd, the first pharmacist to hold the post.

Mr Gourlay says that private ownership has allowed the company to be much more focused on its internal business, particularly at a senior level.

“People in public companies always want to update the shareholders about how the business is doing, how they’re thinking and what their plans are,” he says. “You end up with the most senior people in the business spending a lot of their time just updating people on how they are thinking, how they are feeling. … [Private ownership] has meant we are much more focused on the people and the business, on developing the right thing for the future of the business. That’s been the single biggest change.”

Partnership

Alex Gourlay

Mr Gourlay in Boots’s Oxford Street store

The principal development resulting from the merger of the Boots Group and Alliance UniChem (PJ, 5 August 2006, p151) has been, Mr Gourlay says, a new focus on partnership. “I think, being very honest about it, that in the old Boots organisation we didn’t embrace partnership as strongly as Alliance UniChem did. I would be the first to admit that.

The merger has been fantastic, he says, in terms of cultural change inside the business. “My personal view is that we want to help pharmacy become greater for everyone and be much more open to taking and giving and receiving ideas about practice. There’s lots of great practice outside that we don’t have, so we’re happy to look at any ideas to help the business.”

Mr Gourlay also believes that although being a pharmacist may have given him a different understanding of the detail of pharmacy — allowing him to understand the opportunity for healthcare in pharmacy — it is for others to judge any differences between his take on the role and that of previous holders of the post of the managing director.

Nonetheless, he says he has gained a lot from his first six months in post. “The biggest thing that I have learnt is that having the responsibility for a brand like Boots comes with huge opportunities and huge challenges,” he says.

“The opportunities to use Boots in a really positive way to deliver a better pharmacy industry are just enormous. But the threat that Boots has for many people in the industry is a challenge. So how do you make it a positive thing for the industry and not a negative thing?”

He says he would like to see Alliance Boots being part of an “aligned” profession, where everyone works together to create more opportunity for pharmacy. “I think one of the relative weaknesses of the profession just now is that we don’t have that level of alignment,” he says. This deficiency in the profession leads, he suggests, to Boots and Lloyds, as well as independent pharmacists, launching initiatives independently.

“The reason this happens is not because we are trying to steal a march on the competition, it is because we become frustrated that we want to go faster and we cannot find the right way to do it,” he says.

There are some great examples of individual independent pharmacies doing great work with their local primary care trusts — far more adventurous than some of the work that Boots or Lloyds does, he adds. “But it would be much better if we did it all together, and [if we did] work together it would have benefits and clearly the best service provider would ultimately get the best benefit.”

For services to develop, pharmacists need to have confidence in themselves and they need to instill in the Government real confidence that pharmacy can deliver new services. Pharmacy also needs, he says, to put sufficient resources behind service development and to encourage the Government to support these services by introducing the right incentives and also committing the necessary resources.

Professional body

A strong professional body will be needed to support the development of pharmacy practice in a continuing and sustainable way, he says. He wants to see bold leadership that enables pharmacists to be proud of what they do and what they can do.

Pharmacy does not necessarily need to try to grab space from doctors and nurses, he emphasises, but can simply identify the big healthcare issues not being effectively dealt with at present, and set out how pharmacists can help tackle these problems.

He also argues that there needs to be bold leadership in terms of establishing a new agenda for pharmacy.

“The supply chain agenda will always be there — it will always be a big part of pharmacists’ role to dispense prescriptions accurately as given,” he says. “But we need to be much more on the front foot about being the real medicines experts in the UK, because pharmacists are that and they can do other roles associated with that.”

Pharmacy also needs to capitalise on lessons learnt from the different contracts in the devolved administrations, he says.

“There’s a lot of stuff that we know works already,” he points out. Pharmacists can meet with Government and explain how pharmacy can save the Government money, take pressure off doctors, play a bigger role than it does today and be rewarded for it. Talks such as these will lead to changes in the supply chain and to services becoming a much bigger income stream for pharmacy, he believes.

Compliance

Compliance is a key area in which Mr Gourlay thinks pharmacists have a crucial role to play. “I find it almost to the point of unacceptable the low level of compliance to drug taking in the UK,” he says. “I find it wasteful.” He says it is unforgivable that patients in the UK end up taking the wrong medicines at the wrong time because pharmacists have not been enabled to make a difference.

Pharmacists can help tackle this poor compliance but cannot do so alone, he says. “There’s 101 small things we can do, but there also needs to be a mindset change in Government, as well, of the new role of pharmacists,” he says.

There needs to be recognition at a Government level, he stresses, that ensuring medicines compliance is the role of pharmacy and that pharmacy should we rewarded for fulfilling that role.

Another problem pharmacy can help tackle is health inequalities. Mr Gourlay believes Boots, as well as pharmacy as a whole, can play a role in this. He admits that Boots backed out of small communities in the 1970s and has not, as yet, returned into these areas.

However, the rebranding of Alliance Pharmacy stores to Boots stores — which will happen progressively over the next two to three years — will mean that Boots can provide services in these communities with the strength of a large multiple, but in the tradition of independent pharmacy,” he says. “As a result of that, we’ll be in a lot more areas where people will have access to great products and great people.”

He also believes that pharmacy needs to recognise the role it can play in tackling inequalities. “I am not sure that pharmacy, or Boots in this context, has really understood fully yet how we should position ourselves to make sure that people who have big health issues — because of their diets and because of the way they have been educated — really start to feel pharmacy as something that they can trust that can help them to change their lives.”

Focus

Alex Gourlay

Mr Gourlay joined Boots as a Saturday assistant in 1976

As pharmacy’s role develops it is important to remain focused on roles that lie within pharmacy’s key skill areas, Mr Gourlay believes. Without that focus, pharmacy will start to be seen as grabbing other people’s territory or trying to get more money for pharmacy in the wrong area, he argues.

“The danger is that we become too adventurous,” he says. “We go outside these boundaries and we bump into other professions when there’s a big job that we can do, and be paid for in, as medicines experts. …the thing that pharmacists do that no one else can do.”

However, Mr Gourlay says he is mindful that increased regulation could end up driving pharmacists to do less, rather than more, for patients. What he hopes it will do is allow pharmacists to feel more comfortable to give better advice and fair advice, rather than holding back professional opinions.

He thinks that the upcoming White Paper on pharmaceutical services (PJ, 4 August 2007, p118) will lead to a safer dispensing system which is more automatic, more joined up, and developed through a systematic approach.

“It is about freeing pharmacists to be more able to give of their professional knowledge and skills and feel free to do that, not constrained in any way,” he says.

Another big regulatory change facing pharmacy — the introduction of the responsible pharmacist — will require legislation written to encapsulate what Mr Gourlay sees as commonsense examples of when a pharmacist should be able to leave the pharmacy.

“The view that I hold and the view that the business holds is that you need a responsible pharmacist on the premises for the majority of the time,” he says. However, he believes there are some occasions when pharmacists should be allowed to leave the pharmacy.

“If you have a pharmacy where there’s a heavy flow of patients coming for over-the-counter advice but a low dispensing business then the responsible pharmacist role would be supervising, developing and supporting the teams, and the people here giving advice is very important,” he says.

“But there may be times in the day when pharmacists can go out and maybe do some home visits for an hour or so. But it has to be absolutely within a framework which is safe for the patients here on the premises.”

He gives another example: “In many community pharmacies across the land — both independents and chains — the pharmacist needs a lunch break. And if a prescription has been clinically checked and is fine, why can’t that be given out when the patient happens to come in at lunchtime? …These are commonsense things.”

But these examples are exceptions which will need to be worked through, he emphasises. “The rule should be: on the premises, responsible for their operation, responsible for the patient care and the accuracy of the dispensing process.”

He admits it will not be a simple exercise to capture these exceptions in legislative wording. “But I think with the right aim and the right intent it can be done.”

Looking to the future

Mr Gourlay says his biggest fear for the coming year is that pharmacy gets caught in conflict with the Government over money, rather than services and issues. “We have to challenge the Government, we have to make sure we receive our fair share of money but my biggest fear is that that becomes a negative spiral,” he says.

He adds: “My biggest hope is that we continue to really invest in pharmacy to provide a fantastic environment for young pharmacists to deliver the new role. It is our responsibility as senior pharmacists with influence to do that for people coming through. That is our legacy — it is not self-interest — a legacy of creating great pharmacy.”

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